Hello space friends

I have a question for both the CSM7 candidates and the potential voters in the CSM7 elections. It is a very simple question that has been plaguing me for some time, because it is as evident in real life as it is in EVE Online. That question is: Why do we perpetuate a cycle of choosing candidates based on promises they make? Given that both in game and in real life any politician is limited severely by what he or she can reasonably accomplish in office, being that most politicians are members of decision making or decision influencing groups rather than solo decision makers, why is this what people do? You see it in both the CSM election behavior and in the behavior of people in real life. We pick among the promises that politicians make to us, and then we complain about the politicians we perceive did not give us what we want. Why?

I suppose all of this is rhetorical, because my primary point here is to suggest that an alternative exists and to me this alternative seems to be the most forthright and honest way for a politician to represent a constituency. That alternative is to simply ask the People what it is they want, with the only campaign promise being to represent the expressed interests of that constituency. Call me a starry-eyed dreamer, but isn't that what the plain language of most legislative bodies in real life claim that they are supposed to do? Represent the interests of the people. Not the interests of lobbyists, not the interests of power blocs, not the interests of a political or religious ideal. The interests of the people.

I'd like to challenge candidates in CSM7 to abandon the courtship of power blocs, ideology, and all other concerns. Ask the People what they want; embrace those desires as your own; passionately advocate on their behalf to CCP.

I'd like to challenge the voters in CSM7 to hold the candidates accountable to this standard; to not allow them to simply slough off comments and questions about their motivations, their personal interests, and so on; to demand that the candidates either represent the People or to simply laugh that candidate off the stage. You are the 99%. You control the flow of discussion and you hold the voting power. Make it happen.

#1Posted: 2012.02.01 03:06 | Report
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Hello space friends.

This thread is about a very specific topic which I have decided to include on my platform for the CSM. I want to talk to you about how the members of the CSM are elected, and what that means for the average player in EVE Online.

As it stands right now the CSM elections disproportionately favor those candidates whom are able to draw upon a large and very well organized voting bloc by means of their in game affiliation; for example, The Mittani and Vile Rat are on the CSM because of the organized voting message they were able to dictate to the Clusterfuck Coalition, that entity being the combined coalition of some of the largest Alliances in the game: Goonswarm Federation, TEST Alliance Please Ignore, and the dozens of other, smaller entities, that live in the Null Sec regions of Deklein, Fountain, Branch, Fade, Pure Blind, and the surrounding areas.

Because these entities were presented with very specific candidates towards which all of their votes were funneled, those few candidates were assured of a certain amount of votes from those players and their alt accounts. And because these specific entities each have communities that extend well beyond the in game culture of EVE Online, those being message boards such as Reddit, Something Awful, and 4chan, there was a very effective "grassroots" style drive to get out the vote, and it was very effective.

By contrast, the average EVE player was presented with a dizzying array of candidates, many of them with similar platforms, and the much larger combined vote of everyone else not aligned with the Clusterfuck Coalition was split among these other candidates. Though the total votes that were cast for non-Clusterfuck Coalition candidates were well in excess of those cast for Clusterfuck Coalition candidates, the records show us that many of these other candidates each received individually very poor vote totals which resulted in many of the votes cast for them being effectively "wasted".

My stance, which I would like to argue to CCP on behalf of You, dear EVE Online Player, is that we need voting reform.

Something that would benefit the vast majority of the EVE playerbase would be proportional representation and selected transferable votes because in the present system a big chunk of the voting share is effectively "wasted" by people voting for this or that candidate, each one of a dozen or more who receive fewer than the minimum needed to gain a seat. With transferable votes there would be a lot more representation of the non-Goon interest on the CSM, because people could then delineate their votes to go to Candidate Y in the event that Candidate X is not elected, and so on. Right now one of the big advantages that an organized voting bloc like the Clusterfuck Coalition has over the rest of the game is that all of their votes go to specified candidates which will almost surely win positions whereas the rest of the game's population is left to blindly pick one of the other horses in the race and is left with no recourse or representation once that horse loses.

Lyris Nairn is basically an EVE university spy that we have tolerated for far too long.

What is you position on walking in stations? Will you allow anymore locked doors to nowhere?

I really dont want to get drawn into a philosophical debate about rationalism, as your assuming that an open mind pervades to the idea that I must be wrong and must agree with you, what is so open minded about that? Whereas any "rational" person would question the history that Lyris represents, her current status and her ongoing efforts as a Goonswarm pilot. Seeing as there is some empirical evidence backing it up.

Actions speak louder than words and I still see recent KB entries for GSF and she still wears the badge and I like to measure a tree by it's fruits. The responsibility of proof is very much in Lyris' court not mine. And pandering with a whimsical view of telling us what we want to hear? Seriously not transparent enough for you?

Not my problem Lyris, you are the one wanting to stand for CSM.

But I can easily confirm I don't like the Goons ethics. As individuals IRL am sure they are "normal" people, well perhaps not "Mittens".

Lyris for CSM7 - 10000 likes or bust!

(please post more so I can like more of your posts)

Either you are a blatant and terrible troll, or you are a dangerous idiot who has no idea what these proposals would do to the game. I read the first item on your list

Get rid of the period of time during which a POS is literally invulnerable;

Remove POS reinforcement?

You are mad, get out.

Could that not be viewed as a problem with the current war mechanics as opposed to POS reinforcement though?

Im confused who is the official GSF candidate Mittani or you.

Lyris can I have a minor cabinet position since I have given you so many likes? Or my own pet issue?

I do not endorse this product and or service.

Is EVE really lacking attention in newspapers and tv shows for this to happen? Also dont tell Hilmar this idea, he will see other companies failing to do this well and only be inspired to make us all homos to show the impossible is possible.

Because we left Earth to find more resources and regrow, not to find more buttes and use them as pin cushions.

Plus the game is notorious for ganking. Societal issues with the love of pvp here could be a problem as well.

On power blocs and equality:



Hypocrasy is now also officially on record.

As a long time low sec dweller, these things stick out to me:



PRESERVE IT'S UNIQUE GAMEPLAY!!! This is very important to me, other low sec dwellers, and CCP if they want to keep me sub'd. High sec changes seem solid as do null sec changes. Are you in support or opposition to bringing sov mechanics to NPC null and/or low sec? This is another (kinda) issue that would affect the unique gameplay of these regions. Personally, I think diversity and dimensionality in game design is what makes the game atttractive and exciting.


Um, NO.
Don't forget that you can assign fighters in 0.3, but not in 0.4. I have heard people pleased with this and wanting to change it in both directions. If you are going to address Low Sec classification differences, I think it's worth a look.

Drugs would be a great way to make low sec more profitable and possibly improve traffic/population, and for real: DRUGS!

That's some quality posting Goon Sir.

I, too, spent some time in Guatemala back in the 90's. Excellent beaches and Tikal was flat out stunning.

Berkeley, however, is a well known haven for savages and grotesques. You should pursue a career at a more respected institution of higher learning. DeVry or Capella being fine examples.

That grievous error in judgment for your life plan aside, I do hope you'll Sky Captain your way to the CSM alongside Dear Leader.

Lyris Nairn, what is your stance on orange clothing?

The Right Honourable Good Poster Extraordinaire, Lyris Chronicles of Nairnia, Most Liked on Eve-o and Certified Pubbie Whisperer:

How long do you think it will be until you hit the 10000 Like mark?

What's your favorite ship?

Do you think the proposed ideas for EAS frigates in relation to capital ship e-war immunity is a good idea?

Shooting TEST: Yes or no?

Is there a reason why CCP Diagoras has not listed you as official CSM candidate in his sticky?

ty, quoted in linked thread

You just hit 10000 likes! What are you going to do now?

Gratz, now try to blow out 1000 candles at once. Make wish first as well.